> > >If you hadn't screwed up, maybe on the 30th reprimand, the dog will have learned for life.
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> > How do you know maybe the dog just isn't going to learn because of anything you do?
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> > I agree with nearly everything you've said so far -- but I have to argue this point. I think one of the mistakes parents make is thinking that there's a certain way to treat their child that will make their child behave in desired fashion.
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> What you say is, I think, more true of kids than dogs, which are trainable within the limits of their mental faculties virtually 100% of the time, assuming sound training techniques.
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> But, yeah, kids are less predictable, and they're what we're really talking about. What you say is a very very good point to keep in mind -- it's important to remember that kids are independent people with independent minds. I'm glad you mentioned it, because it's a trap I'd be liable to fall into, coming from experience with animals.
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> That said, it doesn't change the fact that if you, as a parent, do something right, it'll probably work, and if you do something wrong, it's a virtual guarantee that it'll turn out wrong. The unpredictability of kids, therefore, becomes kind of academic -- it doesn't change the necessity of learning and employing sound parenting techniques.

Oh, what do you people know. Do you have kids?

Mich-I hope you didn't think that was serious.-ael