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Re: Are You The Gatekeeper? (Matrix II SPOILERS)
Posted By: Stephen, on host 68.7.169.109
Date: Friday, May 16, 2003, at 20:25:30
In Reply To: Re: Are You The Gatekeeper? (Matrix II SPOILERS) posted by Dave on Friday, May 16, 2003, at 18:26:05:

> I didn't hate the movie like my girlfriend did. I'm more toward's Stephen's side on this one, but I thought the Endless Agent Smith To Infinity fight went on a little long (considering, as others have pointed out, Neo could have flown out of there and ended it AT ANY TIME).

See, I'm not entirely sure I buy this argument. Yeah, Neo *could* have flown away. But I think he was interested in finding out what the hell Smith wanted with him. After all, the Smiths posed no real threat to him. Why he doesn't just automatically kill the other agents earlier in the movie, I'm not sure, but perhaps it was part of their upgrades he mentions. It's worth noting, though, that Neo's powers still seem to be somewhat limited compared to what some people claim.

I totally hope that ex-Agent Smith gets Robert Smith from The Cure to help out next movie. MECHA SMITH, MECHA SMITH!

> I actually liked the Neo-fights-the-french-dudes-henchmen fight more, because it didn't have seven billion baddies, and the baddies didn't all look the same, and there were more weapons. But I also agree it ran a tad long (like almost all the fights in the movie).

Yeah, this fight was cool at first, and I liked the weapons, but I thought it suffered the most from no tension. Neo wasn't even fighting agents, just schmucks. Were they humans or programs? I dunno, but either way it didn't matter. I don't get why it took him so long to kill those dudes.

> 3) Morepheus is not SuperNeo. When he takes on an Agent, there's, you know, TENSION. Because before SuperNeo, NOBODY fought Agents, they just ran. That Morpheus holds his own against an Agent for so long is really really really cool.

Yeah, I thought this too. That was just great. Morpheus so should be the main character. I think they give him all the awful dialogue (well, you know, more awful dialogue) because he can sell *anything*.

> However, I had to continually remind myself during the movie that what I was watching was basically a Hong Kong chop-socky flick crossed with Alice in Wonderland. If I didn't keep telling myself that, there would have been two points where I would have given up all thoughts of the movie being good. The first scene was the pre-Oracle scene where Neo fights the Chinese dude, and at the end the Chinese dude utters the line "You don't really know someone until you fight them." I almost spit Coke all over myself at that stupid line, or would have, had I had a Coke at the time.

I actually liked that scene, because as soon as it started I thought, "Kung Fu movie!" I mean, it's classic Hong Kong: guy walks into a martial arts studio and is immediately challenged to a fight as a greeting. Yeah, it was silly, but there you are. I was smiling.

> The second was the Keymaker intro scene, where they bust through that door to find this little old asian dude with an old key grinder sitting alone in a tiny room.

What was wrong with that scene? It's one of my favorites. It's funny for the sheer ridiculousness of it, sure, but that's the point. This whole thing is really surreal, because, uh, it's not supposed to be reality.

> My favorite bit of diologue, though, was the bit where the Keymaker basically admits that he's just a nonsensical tool of the plot when he tells everyone "I'm here because I have to be here." The unspoken part of that line was "to keep the plot of this movie moving forwards." Also, the Oracle has a pretty good line with "We're all here to do what we're all here to do." Great. THANKS.

YES ZANK YOU VERY GOOD. The Oracle is freaking useless. I'm not sure if she's *supposed* to be useless or actually insightful. I am curious how she knows the future, though. Same thing with Neo. Is this supernatural or does it have some kind of "rational" explanation within the Matrix?

> The bit where she tells Neo he can only see the decisions he understands was interesting, but ultimately unfulfilling because things end up different than how he saw them anyway.

Also, it doesn't make any sense. Is the movie arguing for or against free will? I couldn't ever figure it out.

> P.S. A cool Morpheus scene for the third movie would be to have him walking somwhere purposefully, trip and fall flat on his face--refusing, of course, to take his arms from behind his back to break his fall--then get up with a bloody nose and intone "I was destined to do that."

LOL. Top 5 Morpheus moments in this movie:

1) "Not everyone believes like you do." "My beliefs do not require them to."
2) Taking out the semi.
3) HITTING THE GHOST WITH THE SEAT BELT! YES!
4) "Then I'm grateful that it is not up to you."
5) Shaking his head at the other people trying to get onto the elevator.

Ste "Apparently to be cool, you need glasses without any frames and to not use contractions" phen

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