> I know this because it *has happened* before.

Yet the analogy is not the original question. The difference is that God is on the other end of things, actively teaching. Oh, but how do I know this? Oh, but, but, but, but.

I *did* say way back that my relationship with God cannot be simply defined in words and communicated. The paradox of communication, well studied in networking classes if not communications classes themselves, is that you can't communicate anything without a prior communication establishing the protocol of future communication. I can't tell you what a relationship with God is like if you have not established one for yourself. I can only give analogies that describe it. So why are you trying to refute things I fully admit are insufficiently expressed and, by the very tenants of my faith, can't be otherwise? ("...the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." I Cor. 2:14) You made your point; I made mine; this stopped being productive some time ago.