> This subthread you and I have spawned out of
>that has only become dissatisfying to me about
>two or three iterations ago. We've covered this
>ground, and now we're just repeating and
>rehashing ourselves. Plus, how come a
>discussion that involves the Bible always must
>come back to the same discussion about its
>veracity? This was originally about what the
>Bible *says*, having little to do with whether
>people accept it as Truth or not.

Well, because the way this thread started was that Grishny said something I took exception to (which he's since clarified and I no longer have a problem with) and justified that position with his religious convictions. And he didn't say "this is how my wife and I do it, and it works well for us," he said "this is how God tells us to do it, so you really ought to do it this way." In doing that, he basically laid his ideology open for a debate about Truth and how one can ever find it. And to *me* anyway, that's what this thread has been about ever since. Grishny and you and others obviously think you've found Truth. My main thrust in all of this was to try to argue that, logically, you can't make that claim. *shrug*

>I admit, going from there to here is a natural
>path for the conversation to take, but you and I
>have gone down that same path to the same
>conclusions, or lack thereof, lots of times.

Yeah, but again, I didn't necessarily want to debate *you*. I just wanted "a debate" on the subject. You just happened to be the one who responded the most. SO ITS ALL UR FALT SUR.

-- Dave