> I actually tried to post this once before, but it got lost and I didn't feel like retyping it. So here goes; let's hope this works.
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> > Well, I actually heard Mia say this in chat the other day: you can't have joy without the existence of evil. Joy is the absence of evil, and said evil must be known for said joy to be knowable. The existence of evil, I think, helps to cause an increased appreciation for those joyous/good things, and appreciation that would be lacking were evil to not exist. This appreciation also helps lead to an appreciation for and desire to know God. If all was "good" and not evil, there would be little to no desire for anyone to seek out a good God. If there was no evil for us to ask God's guidance from, then no one would ask it. And seeing as our desire for God/eventual service is what is pleasing to Him, He allowed evil to exist as a means to push us to seek him, a decision that was still left up to us to make. If he wanted us all to seek Him out and serve him regardless, He would've made sure of it. I think the active decision by a human to know God is what is most pleasing to Him.
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> I think what I said in my original post was, "Without evil, we would have no joy." Basically, if God did not allow evil to exist, good would not exist either.
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> I don't know that I'd go so far as to say that "joy is the absence of evil," because I don't actually believe that it is. We simply wouldn't know what joy was if evil did not exist.

Of course, by this definition, there could have been no "good" or "joy" in the Garden of Eden. "Good" has to be more than the mere absence of "evil". Giving money to someone who needs it is "good"; not stealing what little they already have (while not "evil") isn't.

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