> I don't think anyone would or is arguing that fear is isn't valuable as a necessary survival tool. I believe the issue at hand is (or was, if things have been cleared up) whether fear and love are equally preferable as something consciously being caused in someone, whether by a human being or by God.

No, you've missed the point frum tried to make. Cynthia is stating that joy (or love, or whatever) is preferable to fear as a motivation; frum agrees. frum's question was if one of them was _better_ than the other. Nobody (not even frum) has even attempted to answer that question yet (at least not in this thread). I'm not completely sure that it _is_ answerable.

I think frum only raised the question because the original quotation implied that one was inherently better than the other, and he questioned the basis behind it. I'm not sure about that, though.

> James

Don "I only understand this because I had frum standing beside me when I read his first post on this thread, and I made him explain everything to me, and I STILL don't know exactly why the question was raised ;-)" Monkey