Re: Techno Hindu Mantras? Okaaaayy....
Lucy, Daughter of Eve, on host 200.80.46.10
Friday, March 21, 2003, at 15:58:37
Re: Techno Hindu Mantras? Okaaaayy.... posted by Fuzzpilz on Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 04:05:21:
> > Brunnen-"elves have TONS of religion"G > > > > [geek mode] > I'm not entirely sure that all of what they have can really be called religion. Religion is based on belief; if one actually knew God or whatever existed instead of just believing it, one wouldn't be religious, one would be acknowledging a simple, clear, open fact. And the Elves know the Valar and Maiar exist; most of them haven't been to Aman personally (although there are a few among them that have, for example Galadriel), but I should think that sufficiently many of them were there during the War of Wrath (at the end of the First Age) for the rest to be convinced that they're telling the truth. > However, the whole Ilúvatar thing can very well be seen as religion; the only ones who know he exists (or say so, at any rate) are the original Ainur themselves. (This was rather obvious in Númenor, where there was also the problem that humans die eventually, adding the element of tradition) > [/geek mode]
I think I'd definitely classify what the elves have as religion because of their songs. They praise Ilúvatar and Elbereth. You don't praise a fact because a fact was created (believe what you will: mother nature or divine influence). Ilúvatar had always been, he was the creator. Just because they know for certain that the Valar and Maiar exist does not mean that they are dismissed as just fact. Besides Tolkien was a known catholic, and wether intentional or not, what he believed and what was a part of him came out in what he wrote.
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