> > And as ever, this is opposed by a wave of objection from the more religious people.
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> I disagree with that summation of things. Stephen is questioning how free will can exist, and others of us are pointing out how it *can*, but if it riles you that nobody's yet pointed out how it *does* exist, I submit that is merely because nobody here knows. Nevertheless, discussing whether or not it *can* exist is still productive.

Maybe the ferocity of my post came across other than I intended. The "wave" was an exaggeration, and I've not really seen any out-and-out "STEPHEN IS WRONG TO QUESTION THIS" replies. Chances are they'd be deleted anyway, I suppose. So this wasn't a personal attack on anyone, nor was it particularly an attack on the thread. I had just noticed a general air of some people ignoring logic when that was what Stephen was calling for. It's the religious wall itself that riles me, not any particular instanciation of it here.

Sorry if I offended anyone, and yes, this is a good discussion.

Mat"magnifico"thew