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> > > Look at the mess T2 made of things.
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> > What? Hardly. T2 was superior to the original in every way.
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> I don't know if you can say one was superior to the other. Superior at what? They were different kinds of movie. T1 was just a thriller about an innocent woman being stalked by an implacable killer; T2 was something else entirely.

T1 wasn't just a thriller. There were plenty of big action scenes. It reminds me of the difference between Alien and Aliens. IMO Aliens is better even though they're different types of movies. Aliens is better because though it changes the genre a bit, it keeps a lot of the same atmosphere and feeling while improving on a lot of stuff. T2 is similar in that it becomes more of an action flick, but a much better made one.

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> > And if you're talking about the time travel plotline, come on, T1 wasn't exactly totally
> > logical.
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> It was tidy, though. The entire thing was enclosed in a fixed loop that just went around and around and around and around.
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> Then in T2, they had to do something new, so they brought up the idea of changing the future. This suddenly makes things a lot messier - suppose they do manage to prevent Judgement Day: where did the three Terminators come from? Skylab never built them. And who was John's father? Obviously, he can't have been a member of the resistance, because there's no resistance and nothing to resist. Was he just some nut?

But do they prevent Judgement Day? According to the original (aka "that lame one") ending, yeah they did. But the good ending that was used doesn't explicitly say. Can they really change the future? Maybe... Actually, I tend to believe that they don't, since that's the way that makes the most sense. Or you could always believe that in the Terminator universe, changing time creates alternate realities, blah blah blah. I don't see why that paradox is any worse than the one created in the first movie: how did John come to exist in the first place? He sends Reese back to be his father. But, uhm, that doesn't entirely work, someone needs to be John's father one time before. Yeah, it's a loop, but it's still a paradox (as bad is the speach that John gives Reese who gives it to Sarah who gives it to John... so who wrote the danged speach?)...

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> In T3, they're going to have to come up with something new again, and it'll probably make things worse.
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> Paul

Well, we'll see. If Cameron's not writing it, it'll likely suck...