Re: Thoughts on freedom
Sam, on host 207.180.184.14
Monday, October 26, 1998, at 16:38:12
Thoughts on freedom posted by Issachar on Monday, October 26, 1998, at 14:39:55:
I'm not entirely certain where you are presenting alternative views and where you are presenting your own. Nonetheless, I don't think this issue is nearly as complicated as it's made out to be.
Firstly, before I address the issue of freedom with respect to God, let me redefine it. Freedom is not the ability to do what we please. It's the right to do what we ought. That's misunderstood so often, and in today's society where responsibility is so often shirked, it's not a popular definition, either. But that's what it means. It's a free country. That doesn't mean we can go shoot people if we want to, or commit adultery, for example. We don't have the legal right to do one or the moral right to do either; nevertheless, we are still free, because these are not things we *ought* to do. A society that isn't free has social or legal constraints that prevent us from doing things we *ought* to do (or compel us to do things we oughtn't).
Now, to discuss freedom with respect to God, yes, I believe we have free will independent from God's will. God does not control our every action. If he did, we could hardly be held accountable for our actions by Him. God gave us free will, and we can use it to accept him or reject him, among other things. "Free will," as distinct from "freedom," is sort of what "freedom" is so often misunderstood to be -- the ability to do whatever we wish. This is a liberating virtue to be given, for we may volunteer our love and loyalty, which means far more than if we were compelled to grant it. But it's also a dangerous virtue, because we may reject God, destroy others, and destroy ourselves.
I don't believe in predestination or fate. We are not inextricably bound to some course, doomed to meet some preordained fate. We have the choice to make our future what we will. However, this is a paradox when one considers that God knows everything, including the future. God knows what decisions you will make, and the paradox is, if that's so, aren't you bound to make them?
Not at all. Just because God *knows* what you will do, doesn't mean you didn't/won't decide to do it. Suppose you built a time machine (and we will neatly skip the details of how). You jump ahead an hour into the future, and you see your friend at a vending machine, and he deliberates before finally choosing a $100 Grand bar. Then you go back in time, back to where you left. You *know* your friend is going to pick a $100 Grand bar from the vending machine. You *know* it. Unless you actively intervene to persuade him to make a different choice, he's going to choose that $100 Grand bar. But does that mean he doesn't have free will? Does that mean someone besides him made that choice for him? Does that mean *you* made him choose the $100 Grand bar? Of course not. Your advance knowledge doesn't revoke his free will, and neither does God's revoke ours.
Of course, I've sidestepped some chaos theory in this example, but I don't believe these theories do anything for my example but complicate it.
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