> Hey ya big fraud, Noah's been in the grave for thousands of years.

Well you know, he's not necessarily just dead and kaput! When Christ took Peter and John and James up a high mountain to pray, Moses and Elijah appeared to them in glory -- both wearing what appeared to be resurrection bodies. So if God saw fit to lift up the Patriarchs to Life, it would not be a far stretch to say that He would probably have done the same to Noah, who had already found grace in God's eyes.


> And I didn't forget, I just didn't see the necessity of bringing that up. Sure as shootin' if I had said we all go back to Adam, somebody would have said "you forgot about Noah, stupid!" Some people are so anal...
>

Uh... I don't understand. Why *Noah* as the point of lineal convergence? Noah entered the ark with his wife, his three sons, AND their wives. The way the account goes, out of these eight people who found favour in God's eyes to remake humankind anew, *four* of them were NOT of Noah's blood (unless incest simply was not a consideration back then). Therefore the descendants of the new Covenant originated from *five* different unique bloodlines, not just Noah's.

Yes, I can see how Noah directly contributed his seed to ALL his descendants. However, assuming his sons' wives also must have had daughters as well as sons in order to perpetuate the race, with enough intermarriage between cousins the percent contribution of bloodline from the *wives* of Shem, Ham, and Japheth would, in some cases, have ended up far higher than Noah's contribution! I think there's no escaping it; we have to take the wives into consideration as direct progenitors. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding something here?


> Gri"grouchy after spending four hours at the mall the day after Thanksgiving"shny

I sincerely hope, in spite of my tedious Biblical diatribe, that you're feeling better now. I gather -- from all these remarks on the Forum -- that shopping the "day after Thanksgiving" is a big thing for people Stateside! I don't think Canadians have that particular tradition, though.

Wolfspirit