> > > I know what to do by reading past posts, but cant figure out
> > > why my guys keep diring, what level should they be on before i
> > > try to find the gatekeeper?
> >
> > Keep trying and keep dying. As long as you're killing a few parties of monsters every time, you'll keep leveling up. As you do, you will kill more monsters each time you venture out, which will speed the whole process along.
> >
> > Eventually, you'll be strong enough to get where you need to go. What level you need to be on depends on how many characters in your party, their respective classes, equipment and attributes, and some luck in battle. The only way to know for sure is to get there.
>
> You know, I actually read this as Murkon's *Vengeance*, 4th floor, and thought "Cripes! Has someone got that far already?".
>
> I'm still exploring the 10th floor (there used to be a restaurant by that name here in Helsinki, BTW) of Murkon's Vengeance. At first I thought I could reuse my old Murkon's Refuge maps, but now I find it's completely different.

I'm not too far away from there -- almost finished level 6. One red party unaccounted for, and one other thing to check out first.

mac "the only thing the same is the room at the start" rinus7