> > I was thinking more along the lines of specific descriptions such as: "And then the Lord drew upon the ground a perfect square, and this square had exactly three sides, and yet was perfectly round." (Yeah, sorry, I tend to always think of a math-related thing, first.)
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> How about impregnating a virgin? Or walking across water? Or causing a woman to turn into a pillar of salt for looking at a burning a city? Or creating a firestorm to cause that city to burn in the first place? Or cause a flood that engulfed the entire world, even the highest mountain peaks? Or resurrecting a man? Oh, here's a good one...How about feeding thousands of people with one boy's lunch?
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> kniv"Just to name a few, and I don't think any are too logical to a person."etsil

Well, still not really what I had in mind -- I said in another post that I wasn't talking about miracles. Those are all just manipulation of matter and energy in the universe, which is not a problem at all. If God *created* all the matter and energy and physical laws to boot, it's to be expected that he can rearrange things at will. The last example is a little different, but it's still in the same category. Though we might not know the specifics of *how* the food (bread and fish, if I remember right?) was reputed to have fed that many, it could well be that it just kept growing back as it was cut into pieces. Just manipulation of matter/energy, again.

The point is that all the things we read about in the Bible, as amazing and as "impossible" as they may seem, don't seem to require ascribing to God the ability to bend logic at will. It just requires God to be able to do anything he wants with the matter and energy in the universe, which is already a given. That's how Genesis starts out, after all. And if there is no scriptural support for God being able to contravert logic, then the only other ways I see of arriving at it are by divine revelation or by philosophical argument. Since the former would be personal in nature, and not at all verifiable, it would not be at all useful in convincing others. That leaves the philosophical approach.

I'm not talking about proof. We can't even prove God exists to begin with. I'm talking about reasonable grounds for belief. I know it can't be proved that God can break logical principles, but I'm looking at whether there's a *plausible* philosophical argument that he should be able to. I don't think there is one. I'm even giving the Bible the benefit of the doubt -- that it's completely true. I still see nothing from the Bible that would even hint at the necessity of God being able to do logically impossible actions, and no philosophical approach to take either.