> So basically God is like Bill & Ted? "Okay, all we gotta do is go back in time, steal my dad's keys, and hide them... in front of that sign. Excellent!"
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> But this is how it works out if we take frum's interpretation that you can affect events that happened in the past. The problem is, you could not *alter* those events. You'd have to pray for events to happen in the way that you've already experienced them happening. I.e. you couldn't pray for events in the past to be different. It is a total Bill & Ted thing: if you wanted to affect events as they'd happen, you'd just need to remind yourself to pray at a future date, much like B&T just need to remind themselves to use their time-machine at a future date.
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> Stephen

Very funny, but you missed the point. The point is much more subtle and particular than that. It is simply this: the temporal status of prayers is is irrelevant to the temporal status of events they can affect. This is the case because events have, for God, no relevantly hindering temporal properties. Of course, as you note, events that are now past cannot be changed; my point is that the potential is there to pray now, and have those prayers used to affect events that are now past. Put another way, it is technically possible that one's prayers now could have been used already to affect events that are now resolved. Sorry for the confusion.

Regardless, this doesn't allow you to cheat death in a game, even twister.

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