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 Re: Civil liberties, anyone? 
 The Other Matthew, on host 147.72.80.2
  Tuesday, December 18, 2001, at 05:44:00
  Civil liberties, anyone? posted by Ellmyruh on Monday, December 17, 2001, at 17:51:12:
Ok...we're fighting a war. I think we can all  agree on that. Who are we fighting? A bunch of  Middle Eastern guys. Thusly, who would want  to harm America the most? Middle Eastern  guys. Makes sense to me. I'm not saying that  all Middle Eastern guys want to harm America,  but I'd say it much more likely they will than,  say, a blue-eyed blond-haired Swede.
  Throughout the investigation, it has been  noted numerous times that many of the  people involved in committing these acts  came over here previously on temporary visas,  and that people who are known terrorists and  are wanted by the federal government have  done the same thing: they came over on  student visas, went to our universities (on  yours and on my tax money), then went back  with their newfound knowledge to aid their  terrorist buddies. I'd say that's a trend that  needs to be investigated.
  Most of the Middle Eastern guys being held by  our government, if I am not mistaken, are not  citizens of this country. Therefore, they are not  protected by our Constiution and the other  laws we have in place.
  The writer of this speech wonders about the  suspension of habeas corpus becoming  common. I'm sure the same thing was said  when the greatest president we've ever had,  Abraham Lincoln, did the same thing during  the Civil War. The same thing happened  during World War II when FDR ordered  Japanese-Americans put into internment  camps. The thought process is like I said  before: We are fighting Middle Easterners,  thus: a Middle Easterner is more likely to want  to harm America.
  The writer wonders about military tribunals.  Military tribunals are not going to be used  against *citizens of this country.* They will be  used against what are, essentially, prisoners  of war. People who are not citizens of the  United States HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL  RIGHTS.
  In closing, *your* rights and *my* rights are  not being infringed upon. It is the "rights" of  people who aren't even citizens of this country  that are being "infringed" upon. (Notice the  quotation marks.) And if you still believe that  yout rights are being taken away, and you can  get enough people to go along with  you...well...that's what the Second Amendment  is for. To ensure that the power of government  resides with the people.
  The Other "Step 1: Open mouth. Step 2: Insert  foot." Matthew 
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