> > If someone could give me definitive evidence that a country where everybody takes Responsibility For Their Actions (in the going-to-prison-and-suffering or taking-a-ride-in-ol'-Sparky sense; that is, is made to be *punished* for their actions) actually works better and produces healthier, happier people than another country, then I'd be more inclined to change my basic postulates. Till then, when empirical evidence aligns with your presuppositions, you don't go changing them around for nothing.
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> I don't know enough about the country, but I think it might be relevant here--I'll just toss the name out and let someone with more time and knowledge maybe fill in the details. The nation I am thinking of is Singapore.
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> > Ar"but of course no society is ideal; still, some are better in certain areas than others"thur
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> Don "That's all I had to say--might be useless." Monkey

Oh, right, Singapore.

FWIW I used to know a couple of friends of the family who moved away from there to the US because they found it oppressive. Still, can't say that that seems to be the prevailing attitude of the people there, or that the streets aren't quite safe, and quite clean.

Ar"so it's a good point, though I'd need more knowledge to defend or refute it"thur