> I think agreeing to disagree, as you suggest later, is probably the best idea. I'm tired of this thread and lack the motivation to dig up hard references, especially since I think you and I are the only ones left reading this. I do respect your logic and position, inasmuch as I disagree with it, and that's not a statement I am generally able to bring myself to make. The paradox of me is that I can usually see both sides of any given argument, and yet I am very opinionated on most things.

Actually, there is at least one more person still reading this and very interested--I would be posting, but with having to move within ten days and looking for a job, I don't have a lot of time right now. Mainly, I just keep watching hoping that somebody will say the things that i would say. Sam came very close in this post by talking about what was just and its bearing on the topic. But I don't have time to go any deeper into that right now.

Don "Don't take this as a request to continue if you're tired of the thread, though" Monkey