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Re: A note on hate groups
Posted By: Kaz!, on host 209.167.216.13
Date: Thursday, February 10, 2000, at 15:22:26
In Reply To: Re: A note on the hacking topic posted by Sam on Thursday, February 10, 2000, at 13:49:56:

> > With all the talk about how hackers or one hacker has done so much damage lately, I was wondering about a justified hack. Last night on Dateline or 20/20, I forget which one, they had a story about women in hate groups like KKK and WAR and the Westboro Church. All these people are on the web.
> > I would be all for it if these idiots got hacked and taken down for a long time. Hatred has no place in our society. I think we all realize that.
> > But I know that all the publicity from a hack would just bring more people to their sites. So, what is the answer?
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> Don't jeopardize your civil rights by imposing on theirs. You're absolutely right: hatred has no place in our society. Nor do restrictions on our freedom of speech. If you're only free to speak if you say the right things, you're not free at all.
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> Plus, as you say, it just gains them publicity anyway, so not only is it a violation of civil rights, it doesn't work anyway.
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> The solution is to do one's part to be a positive part of the society you are in, working with others to build non-threatening and compassionate environments: not to attack those who aren't doing the same, however reprehensible they might be.

I agree with what Sam says for the most part, but believe that it's OK to attack those who want to attack others...on the condition that the attacking is done by reason and speach instead of physical means. In otherwords, the battle should be fought with words and wisdom. The ultimate goal, in this case, is to make these people in the KKK, WAR and other hate groups drop out of these groups of their own accord (which isn't a very easy task, I know). If enough people remove themselves from hate groups of their own accord, the hate group gets abolished and that's one less source of evil in the world....and one more source of good (or at least neutral). The trick is figuring out what these hate groups really want and then showing them how to get it without resorting to anger or violence. I've used this method and solved a few minor conflicts myself, and I'm sure that my country (Canada) has used this method a lot in peacetalks. After all, why would anyone go through the trouble of mass terrorism when there are easier ways?

-Ka"Not a veteran peacekeeper yet, but working on it..."z!