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Re: Iraq
Posted By: Stephen, on host 204.216.159.39
Date: Tuesday, December 22, 1998, at 21:00:19
In Reply To: Re: Iraq posted by Sam on Tuesday, December 22, 1998, at 20:21:23:

> > #3: He is a immoral man. I don't give a crap if that isn't against the law, anyone that has as little scruples as he does obviously shouldn't hold that much power.
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> I agree. But it's even *worse* to take it away from him outside of due course. Think about it. What if you held a position (as anything -- President, mayor, teacher, security guard, whatever), and someone decided you were immoral and shouldn't be where you are. If that person had the power to remove you from your position, it doesn't take a huge imagination to figure out what a nasty world it would be. Chaos and anarchy would run rampant.
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> > #4: He took his fancies out of the private realm into the public realm when he did what he did in the white house.
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> That's not even a crime, just an exercise in poor taste. Not a reason to impeach him.

Gonna throw my two cents into the ring (mixing metaphors, I know): the way I understand it, there's no hard and fast rules in the Constitution as to what a president can and can not be Impeached for. Article II, Section 4: "The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors."

The important thing to note is that last bit, about "other high Crimes and Misdemeanors." The term Misdemeanor in this sense is better used as "misdeed" (as opposed as the modern defintion of misdemeanor, i.e. petty theft, etc). Congress can Impeach the President for any action they feel is terrible enough to justify it. Unless the President commits Bribery or Treason, the matter is more or less at Congress' discretion.

It comes down to whether or not you think lying under oath is worth throwing the President out of office for. It's not as cut and dry as people want to make it, and in this case I don't think the guy should be kicked out of office. He lied under oath, sure, but it was about sex, and the entire thing shouldn't have been happening in the first place. Removing a President is a VERY serious matter. A lot of people just don't seem to like the fellow, so they want him gone. It doesn't work that way. The President is subject to the laws of this country, but his Office is a special one. I agree with Sam -- if you want him held accountable for what he did, try him in criminal court, after his term is up. Not sure what the Statute of Limitations on Purgery is, but I'd bet it's more than two years. Impeachment does not send someone to jail, so just because he committed a crime does not mean Impeachment is the correct course of action.

This is a completely and totally partisan movement. Personally, I think the Republicans are still upset about ol' Nixon...

On a bit of a new topic: why do people hate Clinton so much? I'm not the guy's biggest fan, but his whole stay in office has been a fairly moderate one save for the scandals. Quite frankly, I doubt he's done anything worse than your average politician. Affairs? Abuse of power? Illegal fund-raising? Yeah, no one else in Washington does those sort of things...