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Re: post deletions

Posted By: Sam, on host 198.51.119.157
Date: Wednesday, January 9, 2008, at 12:39:57
In Reply To: Re: post deletions posted by Wes on Wednesday, January 9, 2008, at 00:31:39:

> "When someone who still contributes to the community complains, I'll listen."
>
> When one of my unconditional supporters doesn't support me, I'll listen.

If you think everybody who still contributes here is 100% in agreement with everything I do, they would probably laugh at you. Some do, admittedly, but others still here are as opposite from me as you are. And some have left the site for real. All of them found more mature (and effective) ways of dealing with situations they're not 100% in accord with besides pretending to go away while actually sticking around just far enough out of reach to throw stones.

For years you were somebody I respected and valued here, even though, hey, let's face it -- there was never a point where you and I were in total sync with each other. But despite butting heads on more than one occasion, when all was said and done, I was glad you were here. (I may not have made you felt that way, but I suspect we can agree you're not the type of person that needs to be coddled.)

Then, I honestly don't know what happened. I don't think I changed, but in any case you did. Well, it's your right. But I only ever hear from you now when you have some kind of "clever" jab to make. Why this a worthwhile use of your time, I have no idea. I can't begin to imagine what you hope to accomplish.

Here's a hint about the kind of criticism I'll listen to. It has to come from someone who gives a crap.

I recently butted heads with someone in chat as badly as you and I ever did. We both lost our tempers and said things we shouldn't have. But he gave a crap -- not about me, but about RinkWorks -- and I had to respect that and listen to him, and I wound up deciding he was right about most of what he was saying, and I apologized. If I had not, I'd have still spent the couple days giving his opinion the sincere consideration it deserved. To call this person one of my "unconditional supporters" is frankly hilarious. I don't think he even particularly *likes* me. But I respect him: because his criticism came from a place yours does not -- a desire to change something for the better, be it our personal relationship, or even just his own personal RinkWorks experience apart from me.

If and when you ever get that again, Wes, I'll give a crap what you say.

Replies To This Message

Re: post deletions - Wes - Wed, 1/9/2008, 13:51:45
- Re: post deletions - Sam - Wed, 1/9/2008, 14:42:41
  - Re: post deletions - Dave - Fri, 1/11/2008, 16:18:09
    - Re: post deletions - teach - Sat, 2/2/2008, 17:49:36
      - Re: post deletions/the return of teach - Howard - Sun, 2/3/2008, 08:53:58
    - Re: post deletions - Wes - Sat, 1/12/2008, 12:00:11
      - Re: post deletions - Liface - Sat, 1/19/2008, 12:55:05
        
        Re: post deletions - WES - Mon, 1/21/2008, 23:30:20
      - Re: post deletions - Dave - Sat, 1/12/2008, 17:28:38
        
        Re: post deletions - Howard - Sat, 1/12/2008, 20:06:16
        
        Re: post deletions - Wes - Sun, 1/13/2008, 01:09:57

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Message:	> > "When someone who still contributes to the community complains, I'll listen." > > > > When one of my unconditional supporters doesn't support me, I'll listen. > > If you think everybody who still contributes here is 100% in agreement with everything I do, they would probably laugh at you. Some do, admittedly, but others still here are as opposite from me as you are. And some have left the site for real. All of them found more mature (and effective) ways of dealing with situations they're not 100% in accord with besides pretending to go away while actually sticking around just far enough out of reach to throw stones. > > For years you were somebody I respected and valued here, even though, hey, let's face it -- there was never a point where you and I were in total sync with each other. But despite butting heads on more than one occasion, when all was said and done, I was glad you were here. (I may not have made you felt that way, but I suspect we can agree you're not the type of person that needs to be coddled.) > > Then, I honestly don't know what happened. I don't think I changed, but in any case you did. Well, it's your right. But I only ever hear from you now when you have some kind of "clever" jab to make. Why this a worthwhile use of your time, I have no idea. I can't begin to imagine what you hope to accomplish. > > Here's a hint about the kind of criticism I'll listen to. It has to come from someone who gives a crap. > > I recently butted heads with someone in chat as badly as you and I ever did. We both lost our tempers and said things we shouldn't have. But he gave a crap -- not about me, but about RinkWorks -- and I had to respect that and listen to him, and I wound up deciding he was right about most of what he was saying, and I apologized. If I had not, I'd have still spent the couple days giving his opinion the sincere consideration it deserved. To call this person one of my "unconditional supporters" is frankly hilarious. I don't think he even particularly likes me. But I respect him: because his criticism came from a place yours does not -- a desire to change something for the better, be it our personal relationship, or even just his own personal RinkWorks experience apart from me. > > If and when you ever get that again, Wes, I'll give a crap what you say.
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