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Re: Sam loves a teen movie
Posted By: gremlinn, on host 24.165.28.198
Date: Tuesday, September 19, 2006, at 03:10:45
In Reply To: Re: Sam loves a teen movie posted by Sam on Monday, September 18, 2006, at 22:12:43:

> > I do *not* think for even a second that it's possible to declare objective standards of film *enjoyability.*
>
> Sure it is. Movies should be enjoyed correctly or not at all. If you like a bad movie or dislike a good one, you are wrong, and that's a problem.

Could you clarify this last sentence? If the definition of a "good" movie is identical to that of an "enjoyable" movie, then you are saying it is wrong to enjoy an unenjoyable movie - this would be tautologically true because it is logically impossible for it to happen. So I think that you mean "good" and "enjoyable" are not the same thing - that makes sense given the post before this one.

Besides that, though, I would like to look at how one might objectively standardize what an enjoyable movie is. To enjoy something means to receive pleasure or satisfaction from it, so if "enjoyable" means "able to be enjoyed", then I will concede that you could make an objective standard, namely that *any* conceivable movie is enjoyable because it is possible that someone, somewhere could receive pleasure from watching it.

I think you must not mean it in that sense, though, because that makes the case trivial. Do you claim that there is an objective standard of enjoyability which excludes certain (existent or hypothetical) movies? If so, then would you accept that, were such a movie to be made available and were I to find someone to watch it and objectively (say, by carefully recording brain activity) derive pleasure from it, then your standard would be found to be incorrect? I would think that such counterexamples would always be possible. [If measuring the existence of someone else's pleasure is dubious proof, then at least you can say that it is good enough proof for the viewer - I may not be able to prove that someone enjoyed a movie, but he knows he did.]

Alternatively, you may be saying that a movie is enjoyable if pleasure or satisfaction *should* be gained from it, but then you lose objectivity. Or do you? I suppose you could claim that an all-powerful god could mandate an objective standard of things which "should be enjoyed" along with an objective standard of actions which are good or evil. However, as far as I know, if that is the case then we as humans have no way of determining whether there is such a standard, much less finding out what exactly it is.

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