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 Re: Justness vs. Mercy 
 Dave, on host 130.11.67.120
  Tuesday, December 15, 1998, at 15:48:45
  Justness vs. Mercy posted by Sam on Tuesday, December 15, 1998, at 11:31:45:
> > God's justness is perfect.  That means his  >standards are perfect.  The Bible says that all  >fall short of the glory of God and that there is  >not one who has not sinned.  Therefore, "earning"  >our way into God's favor is simply not humanly  >possible, however much you may wish to do it.   >Ephesians 2:8-9 state: "For by grace are ye saved  >through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is  >the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man  >should boast."  Titus 3:5 says: "Not by works of  >righteousness which we have done, but according  >to his mercy he saved us."  The point is, there's  >nothing you can *do* to earn your way to heaven.   >No amount of good works can make you "good  >enough" in God's eyes.  The only way to get out  >of paying that fine is to accept the gift from  >God of Jesus Christ paying it for us.  (In John  >14:6, Jesus says:  "I am the way, the truth, and  >the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by  >me.")
  If I am imperfect then it is because I was either made that way or something happened to cause me to be that way.  Christians believe the latter.  However, I do not subscribe to the "sins of the father" line of belief.  I am not responsible for nor will I be held accountable for something I never had any choice in.  I am imperfect because I was born that way, and every person born deserves Hell just for the sin of birth.  If a child dies before being able to know Christ the child must necessarily go to Hell, musn't it?  How can holding someone responsible for something they never did be either just *or* merciful?
  I am imperfect through no fault of my own.  I will remain imperfect no matter what I do.  Judgeing my involuntarily imperfect exsitence against perfect standards is not my idea of perfect justice.
  > >I agree with you on one thing -- it *would* be  >nice to earn a way to heaven and feel as though  >it were deserved somehow.  Conceding to the truth  >of the Bible, however, means taking an admittedly  >disturbing and humbling step.  It means that we  >can't do anything to save ourselves.  It means  >our destinies are out of our control. 
  All that free will and there is only ever one thing worth exercising it for?  No thank you.  If Hitler is in heaven, I don't want to be there. 
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