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8/16/03

Sometimes concurrent discussions can merge in strange ways and spawn bizarre hybrid child conversation. While Stephen and I were talking privately about American history and Marxism, famous was talking publicly about how she's repainting one of the rooms in her house. Much of that latter conversation has been cut from this archive, and I would have cut a lot of the other one as well except that I think Stephen's musings about historical politics are insightful and intriguing. If you're not interested in that part and want to jump straight to the fooling around, just skip down past the first block of green.

[Sam->Stephen] This is particularly true today, where it is more frowned upon than ever before to pick on or discriminate against minorities or unpowerful, while, conversely, it's all the more accepted to discriminate against the majority or powerful. Not many decades ago, it made people a lot more uncomfortable to speak out against government, or major religions and respected members of them, etc.
[Stephen->Sam] Damn Marxists.
[Stephen->Sam] Marxism has done more to screw up political/social/economic philosophy than anything else ever.
[Stephen->Sam] It's the root of all that "The powerful are bad!" nonsense. I hate it.
[Stephen->Sam] I'll never understand how anyone can swallow Marxism in any form today. It's just predicated on a bunch of nonsensical assumptions.
[Sam->Stephen] Even the very subtle influence this mentality has had amongst moderate societies has caused a problem. Though it is of course more amusing to recall the extremists. Remember how many "fight the power!" crusades Speedballboy when on back in his day?
[Stephen->Sam] LOL! Yeah!
[Stephen->Sam] Well, I'm all for a bit of revolution every now and then. But it's nice to have a reason to do so.
[Sam->Stephen] That's one for a quotes page.
Sam: DOWN WITH THE MAN
Stephen: FIGHT THE POWER
[Stephen->Sam] Also, the Marxists are in EVERY social science. They're like some sort of fungus, just multiplying everywhere.
[Stephen->Sam] If they confined themselves to political science and economics, I could handle them better. But they're in sociology, history, English, everything.
[Sam->Stephen] Bleh.
[Stephen->Sam] Historical Marxists are the worst. They just try and make history fit into their crazy Marxist views.
[Stephen->Sam] What's amazing about the Marxists is that they persist. 150 years after NOTHING Marx said would happen happened and they keep belieiving.
[Sam->Stephen] What things were those?
[Stephen->Sam] Well, Marx believed he had figured out all of history and that the entire world was going to develop into communism naturally. There would be these huge revolutions and capitalisms would collapse. He was writing this in the midst of the industrial revolution; none of it has happened.
[Stephen->Sam] The only places that have tried communism have been poor, unindustrialized countries, THE EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHERE THE REVOLUTION WAS TO START
[Stephen->Sam] The thing was, Marx wasn't a revolutionary, really. He was saying all of this was going to happen because it was an ingrained part of humanity (and these great historical forces) and nobody could stop it. It took Lenin getting a bunch of guns to actually have somebody implement anything, and then completely different from how Marx predicted it would go.
[Stephen->Sam] No major democratic capitalism has had any kind of real communist workers revolution.
[Stephen->Sam] That's the best thing to ask the Marxists. "WHERE IS THE REVOLUTION!?" tends to make them reach for excuses.
[Sam->Stephen] Hehehe.
[Stephen->Sam] As a capitalist, I actually have tons of countries to use as examples where capitalism was a great success. The Marxists have not a single example of when their philosophy worked.
[Stephen->Sam] So they always complain that it's never been properly implemented. Even worse is that most people who claim to like communism "in theory" have no clue about what Marxist communism actually is supposed to be.
[Stephen->Sam] This is in no small part because Marx is almost completely unreadable.
[Stephen->Sam] You want to understand the basis for American government, you read the first two paragraphs of the DoI. You want to begin to understand Marx, you have to read 1,000 pages of his ramblings about the historical dialectic before you get anywhere.
[Sam->Stephen] Yeah, I suspect that's more commonly the case, at least with anybody I've ever seen as a proponent of it.
[Sam->Stephen] Teens and twenties that get all radical about some numbskull philosophy seem to do so primarily because it's not already the norm in their society, so they've got something to fight for. And they're hardly ever knowledgeable about it.
[Stephen->Sam] YES
[Sam->Stephen] It's great to have all the answers to all mankind at like 15.
[Stephen->Sam] Right! It also helps when you ignore all of human history.
[Sam->Stephen] Yeah, that's just stuff that happened to other people.
[Stephen->Sam] The worst Marxists are the ones in sociology. Because they have no understanding of politics or history.
[Stephen->Sam] They don't even have the decency to call themselves Marxists, either. They're "conflict theorists." They have some other sneaky name in economics, too. Historical somethingists.
[Sam->Stephen] Is it a purposeful distancing from Marx, or do not even they realize that they're Marxists?
[Stephen->Sam] I'm not sure. I think it's just to make themselves sound fancy.
[Stephen->Sam] The BEST thing about political science is that the "conservative" ideology is called REALISM. It's great. I can't imagine how you can disagree with people who everyone calls realists.
[Stephen->Sam] What always strikes me as funny about political science is that most people don't think the realists are wrong. They just don't like that they're right. All the pluralists (liberals) just say, "Yeah... the realists are probably describing how politics actually works, but we wish it wasn't that way."
[Stephen->Sam] BUT THEY'RE ALL PLURALISTS. It makes no sense.
[Sam->Stephen] THAT'S AWESOME!
[Stephen->Sam] Yeah it is. I wish the liberals were right, too, and that we could all work together and be happy. But that's not exactly a workable political philosophy.
[Stephen->Sam] Fortunately most actual political leaders are realists.
[Stephen->Sam] At least when it comes to international relations. Unless you're like France or something.
[Sam->Stephen] So pluralist means way ultra whack job liberal, not "Democrat."
[Stephen->Sam] Sort of. Liberal is a really muddled word in political philosophy, because it's had like 50 meanings. Pluralism, as it refers to international relations, basically says countries should work together and do things that are disadvantageous to themselves for the good of the whole world. Yeah, sure.
[Sam->Stephen] Ah.
[Stephen->Sam] The Democrats more closely represent that ideology than the Republicans. Really, though, America is a very conservative nation compared to the rest of the world. Our Democrats are way centrist compared to the "liberal" parties in other countries.
[Sam->Stephen] So it seems.
[Stephen->Sam] Actually, America is a pretty centrist nation, period. Our Republicans are pretty centered compared to the fascist parties most European countries have lurking around the fringes.
[Stephen->Sam] This is part of the reason we dominate the world, IMO. Our whole political structure is designed to keep radicals out of government.
[Sam->Stephen] Yeah, that's a good point.
[Stephen->Sam] AND IT WORKS. We don't have 500 political parties.
[Stephen->Sam] The pluralists all hate our government system because it underrepresents minority voices. They don't seem to understand that this is a good thing.
[Stephen->Sam] The thing is, we also have protections to stop the majority from running amok on the minority. Our system is very clever because the smartest people ever made it up.
[Sam->Stephen] Yes, wholeheartedly agreed.
Sam: FIGHT THE POWER
[Stephen->Sam] Which is why no new major party has emerged in 150 years. It'll be nearly impossible to ever get rid of the Democrats or the Republicans.
[Stephen->Sam] But this is completely by design. An ideology that's only supported by a fraction of the population is probably insane and should be ignored.
[Sam->Stephen] I'm not sure I like having just two choices, though.
[Stephen->Sam] It's not very democratic, but oh well. It's better than anarchy.
[Stephen->Sam] No, that sort of sucks. But the thing is you can influence the directions of the parties.
[Stephen->Sam] And the federalist system (separating state and national power), while eroded from its original design, gives you more control over local stuff.
[Sam->Stephen] Weren't political parties not even really an intended fact of our government?
[Stephen->Sam] Political parties didn't really exist when we drafted the Constitution. The idea of loyal opposition was unheard of.
[Stephen->Sam] Political parties as we think of them (organized structures for fund raising, campaigns, etc.) didn't emerge until the 1830s and '40s.
Beasty: Are you still thinking of yellow?
famous: Yeah. I picked up some of those sample things to hold up to the walls. I'm going with one of the really faint pale yellows.
[Stephen->Sam] They've thrown a few kinks into the system, but I think it's a credit to the system that it has accomodated them so well.
[Sam->Stephen] Yeah.
[Stephen->Sam] There was a lot of thought about how to balance out "factions" within the citizenry.
Sam: famous, don't forget to FIGHT THE POWER.
ahmoacah: What power?
famous: SAM I WON'T
Sam: GOOD.
Sam: BECAUSE OTHERWISE THE MAN WILL GET YOU.
[Stephen->Sam] Basically, though, the two parties have to constantly adjust their platforms because they require such broad support on the national level to do anything.
[Stephen->Sam] The more I study the Constitution, the more I admire it. A lot of the things that seem odd have real purposes. For instance, the terms of each house of Congress and the presidency are staggered: 2 years, 4 years and 6 years. This is a clever way to prevent any new, quick ideology from taking over the government overnight.
[Stephen->Sam] And the Court is there for life and is nearly impossible to remove.
Sam: Yellow is grody. Go beige or off-white.
famous: Did you not see the room when you were here?
famous: It IS beige and it's grody to the MAX.
Stephen: It doesn't seem to me like the lot of you are fighting the power.
Stephen: YELLOW IS PART OF THE BOURGEOISE OPRESSION AGAINST THE PROLETARIAT!
Stephen: PAINT THE WALLS RED.... WITH THE BLOOD OF THE UPPER CLASSES
Stephen: Comrades! Now is the time to cast off the shackles of oppression!
Sam: YEAH!
Sam: YOU'VE GOT TO FIGHT THE YELLOW
* Sam wonders if anyone would like his shackles, as he is done with them now.
Beasty: I thought you were not supposed to have Upper Classes in America?
Beasty: You can have ours, though, if you want some.
Stephen: HAH!
Stephen: Do not believe the lies!
Stephen: History is nothing but a record of oppression by the upper class that dominates all of global affairs! Get rid of the yellow hegemony!
Sam: UNSEAT THE UNJUST PANJANDRUM LEADERS OF ALL GOVERNMENTS EVERYWHERE!
Stephen: DAMN THE MAN!
Stephen: FIGHT THE POWER!
Travholt has entered.
Travholt: Hello!
Stephen: Travholt! Be you yellow or be you red!?
Stephen: (Or perhaps beige or off-white)
Travholt: I think I'm blue, actually.
Sam: We are all blue, comrade, my friend. I feel your pain.
Sam: We are so blue, we are incensed with red!
Stephen: A cure to your blues is to grab a bucket of red paint and smear out the yellow and green classes!
Travholt: YEAH PAINT THE TOWN
Sam: DOWN WITH THE ALMIGHTY GREEN!
Matthew: My flatmate started painting the bathroom yellow, and HAS NOT FINISHED.
Sam: THAT'S BECAUSE THE YELLOW ARE LAZY POMPOUS GASBAGS, LUXURIATING IN THEIR EXCESSES AT THE EXPENSE OF THE DOWNTRODDEN.
Matthew: Quite, Sam. I agree wholeheartedly.
Matthew: Sorry I can't shout. Sore throat, no doubt caused by yellow.
Sam: WE WILL PAINT THE BELLIES OF THE YELLOW YELLOW.
Ria: So have we addressed the entire spectrum yet?
Sam: DOWN WITH THE PURPLE MONARCHS ON THEIR THRONES!
flyingcats: What about orange?
Sam: GIVE THE ORANGES TO THE PEOPLE AND LET THEM EAT.
Travholt: Aren't streptococci yellow?
Sam: DOWN WITH THE STREPTOCOCCI!
Stephen: Wait. Down the streptococci?
Stephen: I thought they were our comrades in revolution.
Sam: I dunno. What are streptococci?
Stephen: Uh. I thought you knew.
Sam: Oh.
Stephen: Pretty sure I saw them on our membership list though.
Sam: Well.
Sam: DOWN WITH...something, anyway.
ahmoacah: Green! Purple! Green! Purple! GREEN! PURPLE! GREEN! PURPLE!
Stephen: DOWN WITH AHMOACAH!
[RinkChat] User ahmoacah has been shrunken by Sam.
[RinkChat] User ahmoacah has been quieted by Sam.
Stephen: YES! SILENCE THE TRAITOR!
[RinkChat] User ahmoacah has been kicked from the room by Sam.
ahmoacah has left.
Sam: VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stephen: A GLORIOUS DAY FOR THE REVOLUTION!!
ahmoacah has entered.
ahmoacah: Hmph. You clearly do not know your sci-fi.
Sam: WE WILL MUTILATE YOUR USERNAME AS AN EXAMPLE TO OPPRESSORS EVERYWHERE.
Stephen: I hereby award Sam with the Revolutionary Medal of Bravery in the Face of Innumerable Odds and Colors.
ahmoacah: YOU DO NOT KNOW YOUR SCI-FI YOU FAKERS.
Sam: SCI-FI, THE OPIATE OF THE MASSES.
Stephen: Let us call today "August 16" in honor of Sam's great victory!
Sam: I MEAN THE BOURGEOISE.
Sam: In other words, she's a RICH MONARCH, CONCEALING HER IGNOMOGNIY BEHIND "SCI-FI."
[RinkChat] The chat room's topic has been changed to 'August 16th, Liberation Day, honoring the final conquest of the ahmoacah.' by Sam.
Stephen: ALL HAIL AUGUST 16!
* Sam HAILS AUGUST 16!
Mikko: AUGUST 16!
* Travholt prays in the direction of August 16.
Stephen: Sam: So now that we've won... how about we set up a new ruling class in which you and I are in charge?
Sam: Ok!
Stephen: This will... uh.. be temporary until we work out a truly fair way for all people to live in equality.
Sam: Oh yes, of course.
[RinkChat] User Stephen has been made an administrator by Sam.
Sam: That about does it.
Stephen: Excellent.
Stephen: So... we're working on that new form of total equality, guys.
Stephen: Until then... you serve us.
Sam: flyingcats! Get me a Danish!
flyingcats: d00d.
Stephen: Yes, I also require a Danish!
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been labeled 'Danish getter.' by Stephen.
Sam: A big strong one with lots of blood to spill!
flyingcats: But Danishes are kind of yellowy.
famous: That's because yellow rules the world.
flyingcats: Yeah. I think our house is yellow.

Scandalous what you can get away with in a furious sort of chat conversation like this. And it presents me with editing challenges, too. Neither Stephen nor I picked up on these pro-yellow zingers from famous and flyingcats, and so they escaped unpunished for speaking out against the revolution. When editing transcripts, I usually cull out lines that don't follow the narrative flow of the proceedings, but I liked the ring of these lines too much to cut them. And it's not like they got away with treason for long....

Broadcast Message from Sam: Money is hereby declared an agent of oppression and corruption, and it is the judgment of I, THE PEOPLE, that I collect all of it immediately, in the interests of preserving a free society forever.
Beasty: Interesting. The conversations that ensue merely because famous is painting her bedroom yellow...
Sam: Beasty: She is?
Sam: DOWN WITH THE fAMOUS!
[RinkChat] User famous has been shrunken by Sam.
[RinkChat] User famous has been labeled 'TRAITOR!' by Stephen.
Sam: WE WILL STEP ON YOU NOW.
Sam: EVERYBODY STEP ON fAMOUS!
* Sam steps on famous.
* Stephen steps on famous for the revolution!
Stephen: I hereby declare an inquiry into the loyalty of famous.
Sam: Oh, an inquiry! I *love* a good inquiry!
Mikko: I have faith in you, Master Stephen, Admin of THE YELLOW GOVERNMENT!
Stephen: MIKKO! YOU'RE NEXT
Stephen: I shall act as the prosecutor for the state. If famous is truly innocent, she needs no representation.
Sam: famous, are you, or were you ever a member of the yellow?
Stephen: NO RESPONSE!
Stephen: CLEARLY SHE IS GUILTY
Sam: EXECUTE HER!
[RinkChat] User famous has been kicked from the room by Sam.
famous has left.
Stephen: HAH!
Matthew: Weird.
famous has entered.
Ria: I just love how the executed comes right back.
Sam: HOORAY FOR THE LIBERATION OF THE PEOPLE!
Stephen: Let that be a lesson to the rest of you!
Stephen: Those who oppose the people will be overrun by the course of history!
Stephen: LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
Sam: YES, LET'S HAVE A REVOLUTION FOR CENTURIES TO COME!
Stephen: The spirit of revolution shall never die!
Sam: ...
Sam: Now what?
Stephen: Uhhh.
Stephen: We keep on revolutionizing.
Sam: ...
flyingcats: You guys suck at this revolution stuff.
Stephen: WE EXECUTE FLYINGCATS!
Sam: AH HA! SOMETHING TO DO!
Stephen: FOR HIGH TREASON!
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been kicked from the room by Stephen.
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been quieted by Sam.
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been shrunken by Sam.
flyingcats has left.
Stephen: She was clearly guilty.
Stephen: Otherwise I wouldn't have had to execute her.
flyingcats has entered.
Ria: Dude. You just executed your Danish-getter.
Travholt: Aha! RinkChat is cooperating with the traitors!
Stephen: Travholt, are you questioning the nature of RinkChat!?
Travholt: Indeed I am.
Stephen: RinkChat is an implementation of the values of the revolution!
Sam: YOU DAMPEN THE SPIRIT OF THE REVOLUTION! BUT WE SHALL NEVER BREAK!
Stephen: I say we put Travholt in a labor camp.
Sam: THE PEOPLE WILL EMERGE VICTORIOUS, AND I--WE WILL RULE FOREVER
[flyingcats->Sam,Stephen] You still suck at this revolution stuff. :-P
[flyingcats->Sam] Also, yeah, you're kinna fraternizing with the enemy by talking in GREEN GREEN GREEN text, aren't you?
[Sam->flyingcats] !!!
* famous throws the sun at Sam and Stephen.
famous: BURN with the YELLOW sun!
[RinkChat] User famous has been shrunken by Sam.
[RinkChat] User famous has been quieted by Sam.
Sam: ARE YOU GUILTY?
Sam: ANSWER ME!
Sam: GUILTY AGAIN!
Stephen: DOUBLY GUILTY!
[famous->Sam,Stephen,Beasty,Ria,Matthew,Travholt,NormalAsylum,ahmoacah,flyingcats] HELLLO YOU STOP QUIETING ME YOU FREAKOS.
ahmoacah: http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/us/synops/025.html
Beasty: ahm: Are you saying Stephen could be plotting against Sam?
ahmoacah: Huh?
[famous->Sam,Stephen,Beasty,Ria,Travholt,NormalAsylum,ahmoacah,flyingcats] MAKE ME BIG NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW
Beasty: Reading between the lines of that plot synopsis.
ahmoacah: Oh... Uh... I was attempting to educate.
ahmoacah: Though... it is sorta yellow between the lines.
[famous->Sam,Stephen,Beasty,Ria,Travholt,NormalAsylum,ahmoacah,flyingcats] YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW YELLOW
Beasty: Educate a revolutionary mob? Not wise. Run away first.
Stephen: We have no need for your education! The spirit of the revolution is our education!
[flyingcats->Sam] I think you need a new revolution partner.
[flyingcats->Sam] Dump him. Take me instead.
[flyingcats->Sam] I'll bring you a Danish. ;-)
[Sam->flyingcats] I CANNOT BE BOUGHT.
[flyingcats->Sam] Dangit.
[Sam->flyingcats] WELL, OK, BUT MAKE IT A DANISH WITH LOTS OF ICING.
[flyingcats->Sam] SWEET
* Sam dumps Stephen and hooks up with flyingcats as a revolution partner instead.
[RinkChat] User Stephen has had administrator status revoked by Sam.
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been made an administrator by Sam.
flyingcats: w00t.
Stephen: Clearly yellowness from OTHER chat rooms are... HEY!
Stephen: TRAITOR!
Sam: She made a better offer.
Sam: But hey, we're still THE PEOPLE.
Stephen: THIS IS A VIOLATION OF THE VALUES OF THE REVOLUTION
[RinkChat] The chat room's topic has been changed to 'August 16th, Danish Day.' by flyingcats.
Beasty: Free Danishes for all?
flyingcats: YES WITH LOTS OF ICING
Beasty: You got my vote! When do they start handing them out?
[famous->Sam,Stephen,Beasty,Ria,Travholt,NormalAsylum,ahmoacah,flyingcats] I will supply the danishes if you make me UNSHRUNK.
Stephen: SAM HAS BEEN CORRUPTED BY THE UPPER CLASSES!
Stephen: WE MUST JOIN AGAINST HIM
Sam: What? No way!
Stephen: COME COMRADES!
Stephen: RISE IN ARMS AGAINST TRAITOR-TO-THE-PEOPLE SAM!
Stephen: Foul temptress flyingcats!
Stephen: Yellow spy!
flyingcats: YOU ARE STEPPING ON THE RIGHTS OF THE DANISHES
[RinkChat] User famous has been unquieted by flyingcats.
Stephen: You shall never crush the spirit of the revolution with your empty promises of pastries!
famous: yay.
famous: now.. BIG ME
Stephen: IN THE NAME OF THE REVOLUTION I HEREBY DECLARE DANISHES TO BE CONTRABAND
Broadcast Message from Sam: THE PEOPLE have determined that one Stephen has been a TRAITOR TO THE PEOPLE all along. He has actually been a spy for the upper class and so should be executed and ostracized for his crimes. Let it be known that anyone offering aid or asylum to STEPHEN shall be considered an ENEMY OF THE PEOPLE.
Sam: ARE YOU GUILTY, OR ARE YOU NOT INNOCENT?
Sam: SILENCE = GUILTY!
Stephen: I AM GUILTY ONLY OF PRESERVING THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!
Sam: DEFIANCE AND LIES = GUILTY!
[RinkChat] User Stephen has been kicked from the room by Sam.
Stephen has left.
ahmoacah: SAM MADE PURPLE
Stephen has entered.
Sam: VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!
Stephen: YOU SHALL NOT BREAK ME
flyingcats: HURRAH.
Sam: THE PEOPLE RULE!!!!!
Stephen: LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
Sam: LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
flyingcats: Wait.
Sam: Wait.
famous: I DON'T WANT TO WAIT.
flyingcats: What are you saying?
Sam: I spouted the propaganda of the enemy.
Sam: Apparently.
flyingcats: Odd.
[RinkChat] User Stephen has been kicked from the room by flyingcats.
Stephen has left.
Sam: This is perplexing.
Stephen has entered.
Stephen: Hello.
Stephen: I am not Stephen.
Sam: !!
Stephen: I am somebody different.
Sam: If you say you're Darien, you are so getting kicked.
Stephen: I support your cause.
Sam: You do?
Stephen: I am... uh... Sam.
flyingcats: Whoa.
Sam: Do you double dog swear?
Stephen: Myself: Of course.
Sam: Ha! Me!
[RinkChat] User Stephen has been made an administrator by Sam.
Sam: Clearly, *I* am ok.
Stephen: Yes, of course.
Sam: Sam: Hi!
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been banned from RinkChat by Stephen.
flyingcats has left.
Stephen: HAHAHAHA!
Sam: Uh oh.
[RinkChat] The chat room's topic has been changed to 'DANISHES ARE EVIL!' by Stephen.
Stephen: LONG LIVE THE REVOLUTION!
Sam: I've been tricked!
Stephen: Yes indeed.
Stephen: I AM STEPHEN ALL ALONG!
[RinkChat] User Sam has been kicked from the room by Stephen.
Sam: Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Sam has left.
[RinkChat] The chat room's topic has been changed to 'Stephen is Supreme.' by Stephen.
Stephen: Order One: All Members of the Old Revolution are TRAITORS
Beasty: So no danishes? Hmph!
Stephen: Beasty: Danishes are lies.
Stephen: They do not exist.
Beasty: They are? What are they then?
Stephen: They are just made up by yellow scum.
Stephen: True members of the revolution do not believe in Danishes.
Stephen: They never even existed.
OverthrownSam has entered.
Stephen: Who are you?
OverthrownSam: Uh, A COMRADE TO THE NEW REVOLUTION!
OverthrownSam: Hail Stephen!
Stephen: Okay, then.
[RinkChat] User OverthrownSam has been made an operator with fixed priority by Stephen.
OverthrownSam: Oh, sweet.
OverthrownSam: Now, listen up everybody. Let's have no funny business around here.
OverthrownSam: Pay up, everyone. You gotta pay your New World Order dues. Freedom ain't free, you know.
Stephen: The new color is Stephen.
flyingcats: So, like, a nice puke brown kind of color?

But wait, flyingcats was banned, right? Ok, so Stephen unbanned her shortly after he banned her, and she re-entered. This was something that disrupted the flow of the narrative. It had to go. So what if she shows up inexplicably later.

Stephen: Money is still illegal for anyone but those of us in the vanguard.
Stephen: This helps with the equality of the people.
Stephen: All the people shall have an equal share of nothing, except for those of us in the vanguard, who shall all have everything.
Stephen: This is total equality.
Stephen: It is far more fair than the other systems.
Stephen: All of you agree with this, because it is historical truth.
OverthrownSam: But we only use our everything to FIGHT THE POWER.
Stephen: Not so much, anymore.
Stephen: The power has been fought and we have won.
OverthrownSam: Oh. Then we use it to PRESERVE THE FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE.
Stephen: YES!
Stephen: We must protect the equality of the people from those who would make them unequal.
OverthrownSam: Yeah, ok!
Stephen: You all have perfect freedom to do anything we approve of.
Ria: Can we do nothing?
Stephen: Ria: You may.
Beasty: Except get Danishes.
Stephen: There are no Danishes.
Beasty: That's what I was checking.
Stephen: Continued talk of non-existent pastries will be grounds for execution.
Beasty: How about croissants?
Stephen: No.
Beasty: Muffins?
* OverthrownSam notices that gremlinn has a label, while the other oppressed people have none.
[RinkChat] User gremlinn has been unlabeled by Stephen.
OverthrownSam: That did it.
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been labeled 'flyingcats danish!' by flyingcats.
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been labeled 'danish' by flyingcats.
flyingcats: ARGH SAM I HATE THE NEW LABEL SYSTEM BY THE WAY.
OverthrownSam: FLYINGCATS HAS SPOKEN AGAINST THE NEW WORLD ORDER.
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been quieted by Stephen.
[RinkChat] User flyingcats has been unlabeled by Stephen.
Stephen: Applying a label to oneself shall be grounds for execution.
OverthrownSam: Wait, but we can label ourselves, right? TO PRESERVE THE FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE.
Stephen: Well, those of us in the vanguard, sure.
OverthrownSam: Oh, phew.
Stephen: We have to be able to preserve the freedom and equality of the people.
[RinkChat] User OverthrownSam has been labeled '733t tax collector' by OverthrownSam.
Stephen: You are all allowed to have anything you'd like, so long as that anything is nothing.
Stephen: That way you maintain perfect equality.
Ria: Can I have an extra share of nothing? It's pretty hard, living with nothing.
Stephen: NO!!!
Stephen: THAT IS TRAITOROUS TALK!
OverthrownSam: NO ONE SHALL HAVE EXTRA NOTHING, UNTIL EVERYONE HAS REGULAR NOTHING
Stephen: YOU ARE HAPPY WITH YOUR EQUAL SHARE OF NOTHING
Stephen: ALL PEOPLE ARE HAPPY
Stephen: IT IS HISTORICAL TRUTH
Ria: Oh, okay.
DemanusFlint: Did I get my share?
Stephen: Of course.
Stephen: Our system is perfect.
DemanusFlint: I'd hate to be gypped and not get any nothing.
Stephen: That is an impossibility.
Stephen: Asking if you got your share implies we could make a mistake.
Stephen: Which is clearly against the historical facts of our perfection.
DemanusFlint: You're a we now?
Stephen: Since we are the people.
Stephen: We are you.
DemanusFlint: I am us!
Stephen: We are the will of the people.
Beasty: OS: What percentage of our nothing is going in taxes?
OverthrownSam: Beasty: ALL OF IT.
Stephen: Beasty: This is to maintain the freedom of the people.
Beasty: Fine. Just as long as I know. Here's my nothing.
* DemanusFlint only wishes we had more nothing to give.
NormalAsylum: Well, at least we still have nothing.
Stephen: As well as total freedom.
DemanusFlint: Nothing is everything!
Beasty: So now we have everything?
DemanusFlint: In nothing, anything is everything. We make all pronouns interchangeable!
NormalAsylum: But all of our everything is going to taxes.
* Beasty is starting to get confused. Everything is nothing, so everything goes to taxes, we get nothing but everybody ends up with nothing, which isn't worth anything.
Ria: And we're all happy with our nothing, goshdarnit.
OverthrownSam: Now you've got it.
famous is away.
flyingcats: I like how famous just leaves the revolution and goes to take a nap.
flyingcats: famous rules like that.

I don't know how flyingcats knew why famous left, but it probably doesn't matter.

OverthrownSam: Wait, I wanna be a propagandist. TO ENCOURAGE PEOPLE TO PRESERVE THE FREEDOM OF THE PEOPLE.
Stephen: OS: Okay, then.
[RinkChat] User OverthrownSam has been labeled '733t propagandist' by OverthrownSam.
OverthrownSam: Now hear this. Other governments shall be collectively known as The Great Satan.
OverthrownSam: People in other countries live oppressed lives, miserable in their wealth and excess.
flyingcats: Their wealth and excess and their DANISHES.
flyingcats: hrmph.
Stephen: OS: I do not think Ria is happy with her nothing.
Stephen: You need to convince her that she is happy.
Ria: No, I'm happy.
Stephen: See how she lies?
Ria: After all, if total freedom is defined as doing nothing, then everyone's pretty happy with their nothing 'cause it's complete freedom.
OverthrownSam: Stephen: This Ria character is better at this propaganda stuff than I am.
OverthrownSam: Her skill at twisting words is not equal with me.
DemanusFlint: OS: HOW DARE YOU SPEAK OF SUCH INEQUALITIES
OverthrownSam: I AM FIGHTING THE INEQUALITIES. HEY, DON'T TALK BACK TO AN ASSOCIATE OF THE LEADER OF THE PEOPLE.
DemanusFlint: WE ARE ONE IN US AND YOU ARE WE!
* OverthrownSam goes to spread propaganda elsewhere.
OverthrownSam has left.
OverthrownSam has entered.
DemanusFlint: That didn't take long.
OverthrownSam has left.
NormalAsylum: He probably forgot his wallet.
Sam has entered.
[RinkChat] The chat room's topic has been removed by Sam.
[RinkChat] User Stephen has had administrator status revoked by Sam.
* Stephen executes Ciaran.
Stephen: Oop, too late.
Sam: Good. The revolution and the new world order are over in time for a snack.
Stephen: Excellent.
Sam: Oh, hey, what's one more execution.
[RinkChat] User Ciaran has been kicked from the room by Sam.
Ciaran has left.
Stephen: Fantastic.

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